//Britain, idk, should I answer Mirnus's reply? Seems kinda long and depressing....all i got outta it, again, was "blah blah blah your a stupid conservative"//
Maybe instead of strawmanning the entire post and saying that all I did was call you a stupid conservative is complete and utter intellectual dishonesty. Read it. Don’t skim it like a moron.
//You know what Mirnus? Idk half the crap I tell you, i just say it because your so darn funny to piss off.//
So you’re a troll and an idiot. If you’re going to engage in a conversation with me, I would highly suggest drawing a line between being a twit and being a debater.
//I get it, I'm conservative your a libby.//
No, to me you are a libertarian who knows nothing of what she talks about. You think there’s nothing wrong with the current medical system….honestly, how are we not supposed to think you’re out of your mind?
//Just tell me where you got "one sixth of our country is uninsured" from.//http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www ... 14227.html
“The number of people with health insurance increased from 253.4 million in 2007 to 255.1 million in 2008. The number of people without health insurance coverage rose from 45.7 million in 2007 to 46.3 million in 2008.”
That’s over 15%. 1/6 would be around 16.6%.
They don’t have 2009 statistics out in the open yet, however as far I can safely assume, with the increase unemployment rate and collapse of the market, many more have become uninsured.
//Now, covering people with our tax money on some questionable grounds are iffy. By questionable grounds I mean: is the spending going to hurt our federal reserve and our economy as a whole? Are people going to pay an abortion tax against their will? ( I consider that wrong.) //
Is that your whole damn argument? You aren’t in favor of women getting an operation done to remove a blob of cells inside them that could become a baby so you don’t want to support the entirety of the reformation of the medical system? That’s all you seem to talk about in this post.
Like Britain said about funding a war you don’t support, this is nonsense. Get a grip of reality and let go of that crappy sanctity of life bollocks.
//Now, the tagline of this article irks me a little, because they are basically saying that by spending trillions of dollars, we get 132 billion back in 9 years! Well, I dunno about that.//
You couldn’t even figure that out….jeez…
What that says is that within the next 10 years we cut $132 billion in our federal budget because we are spending less on our health care system and are distributing money better instead of wasting it. We get far more than $132 billion back from the system.
//I also conceded that there is a problem, but the fed gov isn't fixing it the right way...( I prefer more regulations of private industry than the creation of a public sector.)//
Which is exactly like putting it into the hands of the government, only in a private sector they can make decisions that will cause more problems such as monopolization, cost raising, and restrictions. With the Fed Gov. in charge, with the distribution of powers that it has and the spanning political ideologies, decisions are made on the basis of the representatives of the people. It is constantly being shuffled with elections and administrations.
I don’t have much faith in the government, however a system like you’re proposing is worse.
//That means they're not allowed here, that means our tax money shouldn't cover them. In other words, i would rather have a fellow American citizen get that surgery or liver transplant first before an illegal does. Go ahead, tell me I'm a stupid conservative for wanting that.//
You’re a selfish ignorant bigoted bitch is what you are showing here. The census post that I gave you factors in only people counted by the census. Your argument is void and your refusal to understand the reasons why people would come to this country is sickening.
The new health care system functions on a need based flow of operations. Whoever needs something will get it as soon as they can in the queue. Not bein forced to wait because they don’t have enough money.
Your argument bases on you not wanting to pay taxes. Tough. Get over it. You might as well argue that funding food stamps isn’t necessary by pointing at the people that come into my store and buy nothing but junk food and use their food stamp card. You’re being overly selective and ignorant of the basis of the system.
//Well, I like capitalism, so naturally I'm going to be "selfish". I don't like Bush and his administration, and I don't like Republicans. Don't think I support them or w/e.//
You’ve repeatedly in the past sided with Republican views, however you are a libertarian…which is much worse. What makes you even worse is the fact that you don’t understand even these basic systems that you’re trying to argue from a libertarian view for.
//I guess all in all, I'm very distrustful of this giant leap that Congress wants to take. In the years to follow, we will plunge into more debt with the HC now in place, while crossing our fingers that the 1.4 trillion will come back...I mean...it's not 100% sure right?
Also, I have a feeling we would be left with a worse debt, but by then the generation of HC-loving liberals have come and gone, so not their problem.//
You’re teetering on insanity right now. Health care systems better than the one that we are implementing with current legislation have been used around the world successfully for decades now. We need to do it now before we push ourselves further into debt with this system. Hopefully within the next few years, people will come to understand the policies of this legislation and we won’t have ignorant saps like you.
And way to go…you didn’t so much as TOUCH the point I made about the Medicare Act of 2003. You might want to look that up.
//I happen to know that you'll probably say: "Gosh Christine, your such an ignorant conservative, and everything you said was a bunch of non-debatable mush that I'm not going to even answer because it will be like arguing with a dining table (which Stephen colbert has done//
Seriously Christine….[Censored Word] off. You haven’t read and understood what I’ve posted and yet you still choose to attempt generalizing to cover your ass. You are an imbecile.
//For now, I say funding a war is different because the leaders of this country, congress and all, have decided to, for example, go to war against Al-Queda because they threaten our nation and our lives. They deemed in necessary to fight terrorism because of incidents such as 9/11. That being said, I know where you are coming from. Many have realized that this war has turned into a political scheme to get more oil, "install a democratic system in iraq" (ya right), and so on. That is why many are not happy about funding that. I understand.
Regardless, I think funding a war for the sake of our national security is a hell of alot different from funding the abortion of a fetus. Was the fetus a threat to our nation? I don't think so. Now funding abortions that a mother can't afford when she got raped or is about to die because of the fetus hurting her, that's another story. But I view abortions as an "easy way out" that people can now use, and pretty much what's happening is way too much out-of-wedlock sex (but hey! we have different opinions...you want sex? go ahead. just use a freakin condom.) To put it simply: my very own opinion is that abortion is murder. Don't agree? That's fine. But YOU had sex, pay for YOUR own abortion.//
The trillions we have spent on the war that was unnecessary and is now overdrawn and such a mess that we can’t even install a system over there
The retaining of billions of dollars through a health care system that just might cover women who choose to have abortions
Do you see why we don’t take this argument seriously?
Fetuses during the normal period of abortion are pretty much a lump of cells. You might as well scrape the dead skin off your hands and you’ll have pretty much the amount of cells you’ll lose. Most of them don’t even make it past menstruation as they haven’t triggered the right hormone reactions…it’s practically the same as regular menstruation. Not every ovum and sperm needs a name.
It’s not an easy way out.
Marriage is an unnatural institution and pre-marital sex is only condemned by idiots who were raised by zealots.
Hilarious that you should mention wearing a condom since you said earlier that you’re a Catholic.
Your beliefs mean nothing to the rest of the world. Sorry to burst your bubble, but they don’t. As a secular democracy, any influence by religious ideologies is null and void. Abortions can be argued from any side, but having the option for them is better than them going to a back alley with a coat hanger. Don’t you think? Wouldn’t you rather have something done properly than having a woman damaging herself over it?
If they want to do it, they’ll find some way to do it. It’s not pleasant, but it’s reality. It’s not dressed up like your beliefs or your interpretation of what should be done because in comparison to those that are in charge, you have shown profound ignorance of even the most rudimentary systems.
//I guess if Luke says it's a "fact," it must be. However, having traveled through Alabama, Georgia and Florida last summer, I can safely say Texas is not quite so myopic as he contends (though I'd admit we're in the upper 15%).//
The entire south is pretty damn bad. I’m well aware. However, I single Texas out because they are the most loud and boisterous out of them and they have the largest political power. I live I Pennsyltucky….I know the stupidity of rednecks from the south as everyone up here wants to be one. I’m surrounded by people who have thought processes along the same lines as Bush and McLeroy. Myopic people are dangerous.
//As a side note, I would also offer that 90% of the people from my state could whip Luke's a$$ handily. //
I’d doubt that on the basis of strength that it‘d be 90%….however to be fair, 90% of the people from your state couldn’t spell half the words I used in this post.
Here comes the rain, another day another storm.
I've been down, down, down for oh, so long. ("Blood Is
I'll walk this mile and I'll ask no quarter, (Thicker Than Water"
For in the end, blood is thicker than water. (-Black Label Society)