Healthcare Legislation Ruins Christmas!

[Mirnus]

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.co ... ?ref=fpblg

//No, this is not an Onion story. On C-SPAN's call in show this morning, a woman named Bunny from Parsons, Kansas, said she was so disappointed by the Senate's health care vote that she took down her Christmas tree. And it seems like her call was not a prank.

It wasn't just Bunny's tree that went. "I have taken my Christmas wreath off my house. I have taken all the lights down," she said. "This is supposed to be a nation under God, and it isn't. They absolutely have ruined Christmas."

You can see C-SPAN host Peter Slen, no doubt trained to deal with the occasional eccentric caller, [Censored Word] his head ever so slightly as Bunny breaks the news.

"So you took down your Christmas tree because of the Senate health care bill?" he asks, with a hint of incredulity.

"I certainly did. And I would like to see every light in the nation go out, especially in the White House," Bunny replies.

She also explains that members of Congress are sullying "God's holiday for the birth of his son" and that she opposes the bill so fiercely because its death panel provisions will unleash a "genocide"on seniors.//

There's a video at the link of the call.

Now...there are some stupid people in this country...but come on.
Think about it. What is Jesus supposed (keyword) to represent? "Blessed are the meek, the poor, and the peacemakers" comes to mind....
Ignoring for the moment that "death panels" are the stupidest conspiracy to stem from the right wing propaganda mill over health care reform, how much do you want to bet that this hare-brained (oooh! A pun!) nitwit is in favor of the death penalty?

[christine]

sup Mirnus...hope u had a good Christmas but I know you didnt

What's wrong with the death penalty? I say the less criminals alive, the better. That's less of taxmoney we have to spend on a prison cell, clothing, and food for someone who has committed a capital-punishin crime. But then again, I'm from Texas, most death penalties, and "texans are stupid", and apparently that's a legit argument, so no use arguing with me on that.


....anyways! about healthcare. Of course this story is stupid....I mean...her name was Bunnny.. lmao. But as for me, my Christmas was ruined, but that didn't stop me from stuffing my face with ham, ginger snaps, etc. I don't like healthcare because it doesn't give ACTUAL benefits til 2013. Forgive me if I find fault with that.

[Mirnus]

//but I know you didnt//

Your generalization is worthless. I spent it at work.

//What's wrong with the death penalty?//

The death penalty as we have it now is an overpriced overdone systematic time waster. II am actually pro death penalty, as odd as that is for a liberal, however I do believe that the system needs to be reformed. The problem is that in the context of this nitwit ranting about how there will be "death panels" when even the most uneducated could tell you otherwise, she's using the God excuse to claim hatred against a reformation act because of death.

//That's less of taxmoney we have to spend on a prison cell, clothing, and food for someone who has committed a capital-punishin crime.//

It's highly evident you don't know how much money is spent on your average execution. The millions of dollars, the years of paperwork, the frivolous appeals, and the repeated surges in the ideals of mercy. It's not as simple as putting somebody on death row and having them pumped with poison the next week.

//But then again, I'm from Texas, most death penalties, and "texans are stupid", and apparently that's a legit argument, so no use arguing with me on that//

Your fault lies within your State BoE and the fact that Texas is controlled by people who represent that myopic and dangerous charismatic religious figure that the rest of the world loathes the U.S. for.

//don't like healthcare because it doesn't give ACTUAL benefits til 2013. Forgive me if I find fault with that.//

Pardon? Seriously, what planet are you living on where this is even relevant? It will take a while for the sake of redirecting funds, rerouting insurance agencies, and setting our government to the system.
And it's healthcare reform...healthcare itself is something you are dependent on daily.
The American view of a system that is remotely like the NHS of England is that of greed and impatience. The arguments break down as follows:
-Doctors won't have any incentive to be better than each other because they will all be paid a set rate! (forgetting that not all people are greedy asses who are dominated by a higher wage and that a system like that would create competition so as to keep their jobs)
-Higher Taxes! B'AWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Ignores the fact that the taxes that would be increased ultimately save money overall due to elimination of medical costs on an individual level. What is our current tax rate? I'm taxed about 26% on every paycheck. Britain? 17%)
-I'm not paying for some hypochondriac's medical bills! (quit being such a greedy illogical twit. They're paying for it too when you end up getting yourself hurt)
-Death panels! Not caring for the elderly! (considering that social security is more often threatened by conservatives than not, this is an outright lie set up by those who don't understand a revised system. Need-based...not income-based. Within ability, not stalling out simply because they can't afford it)

That's the bulk of the problems that people can't seem to wrap their heads around.
Most people that whine about it taking too long are the people who are too impatient and greedy to expand their myopia beyond the short term. I do find it odd that most of the things that they try to bash, they do TRY to expand into the future with faulty premises based upon ignorance and people's fears instead of the facts and logic.

Now, if there is an actual argument, I'd like to see it.

[christine]

Touche', Mirnus. touche'.

Well, I like to compartmentalize

Let's start with taxes. I have a problem with taxes, because I don't believe in helping other people and spreading the wealth. 'But how can you be so ignorant?" you might ask. Well, I believe that healthcare should not be handled at a fed lvl, but rather at a state or area lvl. Therefore, I feel like my parents money is actually helping out. Actually, you're probably not going to understand anything I just said, but go ahead and rip that apart.

But yeah, spreading the wealth I have a problem with. This brings us to the second thing i have beef with- the economy. Now we've all seen evidence (I hope) saying that this healthcare thing could inevitably affect our economy in a negative manner, and I refer primarily to inflation. How do you answer that? If you need me to baloon or provide evidence, say so.

Lastly, I still don't see I significant problem with the healthcare system. Then again, my mother works for a doctor, so I don't think we have to pay crap for pediatrician care. And I like insurance. All i know is that we have something called "UnietdHeatlhcare" and we pay 20 dollars every visit and its done. So maybe you can enlighten me on that.

Sorry you had to work on Christmas . I don't work yet, so idk about the whole taxing business.

[BritainKennedy]

Let's start with taxes. I have a problem with taxes, because I don't believe in helping other people and spreading the wealth. 'But how can you be so ignorant?" you might ask.

I believe the proper question is "How can you be so greedy?", coming from a family where I can assure you I don't need help from the Government to obtain health care, even I see the flaws in the current system, I don't have much time at the moment as my plane just landed and I'm still settling in, but I'll expand later.

Well, I believe that healthcare should not be handled at a fed lvl, but rather at a state or area lvl. Therefore, I feel like my parents money is actually helping out. Actually, you're probably n ot going to understand anything I just said, but go ahead and rip that apart.

Of course he's not going to understand you, because you contradicted yourself on so many levels, you say you don't believe in taxes, then support healthcare on a state level... Your ignorance to everything around you shows itself.

[christine]

oh hey Britain! how'd your last tourny go?
btw.....do u still get on aim? i'm trying to get prepped for the next one comin up...right before finals, ouch. But hey i'm definately improvin', got to semi's in the NCX couple o weeks ago

So ok fine I'm a little greedy, and I should care about other people. So I would pick the lesser of the two evils, and get taxed for a STATE level healthcare.....So what's wrong state-controlled?

I guess you'd say that not all states can fund this or they're incompetent, but naturally, being a darn conservative, I'm just worried about the fed deficit.

[BritainKennedy]

Where do you think states get large portions of their money?..

Idk what you meant by last tourney, but we haven't lost in a few, and I still get on AIM a bit.

[kylestockissues]

outlaw , who are u? , where are u from?

[christine]

lol this Outlaw guy either really loves or really hates Britain...can't tell

hey kyle....love the quote

Britain....states dont have money, but especially not Texas cuz we have so many darn illegals we'd have to cover. Idk, I feel like we coulda made alot more changes to the system we have now, like more regulations. But I forgot....is the fed gov offering a public option after all? i guess we'll find out when they reconcile....

[BritainKennedy]

lol this Outlaw guy either really loves or really hates Britain...can't tell

He likes to pretend to hate me, but he has nothing better to do than ride my [Censored Word] all day long.

[Sunt_eu_fericirea]

Omg I love you.

[BritainKennedy]

You too

[Sunt_eu_fericirea]

That was such a beautiful line, I'm so proud.

[BritainKennedy]

Thanks.

[Mirnus]

//Let's start with taxes. I have a problem with taxes, because I don't believe in helping other people and spreading the wealth.//

Do you understand anything about the system of taxation?
Your education, your roads, your state departments (police, borough maintenance crews, public projects, etc) are all dependent on the distribution of tax revenue. You are a Conservative Libertarian douchebag.

//'But how can you be so ignorant?" you might ask. Well, I believe that healthcare should not be handled at a fed lvl, but rather at a state or area lvl. Therefore, I feel like my parents money is actually helping out.//

The severity of stupidity here is staggering. Forgive the alliteration, but this baseless bollocks makes me want to bash my brain out with a brick.
Hospitals do operate on a relatively private level, however I can tell you first hand through the experiences of being one of the 50 million who are uninsured in this country that the system is out of the hands of local and state officials. Healthcare brings in billions of dollars and most of it is squandered.
I injured my back in March. I was in the hospital for three visits, receiving 2 x-rays, one prescription, no physical therapy, and simply being looked at. I've paid back in excess of $1500 over the course of three bills and I got a new bill this past week saying that I've ignored it for another $317....for treatment I never received. The people billing me aren't even from my state. Each separate office of the hospital billed me independently and there was no explanation for half of the stuff I was being charged for.
You may call this an appeal to personal preference, however I have the paperwork and the bills here in my room to prove that bills are being made without justification.
The system is inefficient, faulty, and out of the hands of some local official jerkoff. A system like that which passed the other day, which isn't even close to an NHS system, is made to make the system more efficient, reduce costs universally, and shore up the economy by the distribution of taxes while eliminating one of the highest annual costs to the tax payer (i.e. health care) through making it a service of their taxes.

//Actually, you're probably not going to understand anything I just said, but go ahead and rip that apart.//

What is this fascination with thinking I won't understand you and your blatant ignorance of even the most rudimentary systems of government? I debate conservatives, fundamentalists, libertarians, far left-wingers and other generalized idiots of society all the time. Nothing is new about this. The only thing I don't understand is how people can be so damn stupid so consistently.

//But yeah, spreading the wealth I have a problem with. This brings us to the second thing i have beef with- the economy. Now we've all seen evidence (I hope) saying that this healthcare thing could inevitably affect our economy in a negative manner, and I refer primarily to inflation. How do you answer that? If you need me to baloon or provide evidence, say so.//

I've told you before to always provide evidence.
Really? Quite frankly, the evidence through the attachments to the bill, NOT FROM FOX NEWS YOU BLEEDING MORON, suggests a reduction in $1.4 trillion in our deficit over the next 20 years alone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtoqHGbO ... feature=iv

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/108xx/doc108 ... _Noted.pdf

If you have evidence, present it. I'm not an easily impressed tosser willingly allowing unsubstantiated claims like yours to ever even impact a conversation. Referring to CLASS (Community Living Assistance Services and Support) as a ponzi scheme or claiming that by next year it won't have done anything is an outright lie and is undermining the situation at hand.
People who object to this are generally very impatient and selfish. You've pronounced both. They want results now, which is why the Bush tax cuts gained him support even though it plunged the country into a further deficit.
Also, lest we forget the Medicare act of 2003 signed in by the Bush administration over the idea of his party knowing what the hell they were talking about. No attempt was made to shore up the economy or explain how they were going to pay for it.
Obama put it well in the link I posted. "Washington has become more concerned about the next election than the next generation."

//I still don't see I significant problem with the healthcare system.//

You are insured and your mother works in relation to a hospital...no wonder you don't have any depth in understanding the severity of the situation.
The health care system is wasteful, inefficient, and the price for insurance and medical treatment is beyond anything that somebody who's never had to deal with being uninsured or being independent could possible understand.

//And I like insurance. All i know is that we have something called "UnietdHeatlhcare" and we pay 20 dollars every visit and its done. So maybe you can enlighten me on that.//

Co-pay. That's all you're paying, and the insurance premiums your parents pay or the benefits that your mom's job offers puts the costs on the institution to be paid back by the taxes they spend and the exorbitant amounts spent by others for the same treatments.
That is your problem.
1/6th of America is not insured. In general, this is because we can't afford it. When we do get injured, quite possibly a logical deduction of being a higher risk due to most workers in this sector being blue collar labor workers, we pay out the ass for years for minor injuries. A back injury like mine wouldn't even be noticed to the checkbook of somebody insured...but for me, the amount that I've had to pay is equal to about how much I make in a month and a half at my current job.
Just for a little perspective.

The rest of your posts, I can't even be bothered to reply to. They're so pig-ignorant that I have to wonder if you have Stephen Colbert as your sig out of irony or if because you actually believe he means what he says on his show. He is there to make fun of right-wing lunacy...and you're sitting squarely in the middle of that group.