kyle-
I fully agree that people should not be forced to participate in heaslthcare insurance, government-run or private. I just want the option, I just want the freedom to live and live healthy without worrying whether the treatment I get today means that I cannot eat for the next week or not, or whether going to the doctor is better than paying your rent. I want a plan that forces true competition rather than constant price-hikes.
Boy, you are 16.... i hope you take this as a compliment but I had thought you much older than that because of your posts. You are a seemingly rational and thinking person and I hope that you continue that rather than giving in to propoganda, both conservative and liberal. The answers always lies between two extremes.
Now that health-care reform is dead --- what next?
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by bhndr » Sun Jul 12, 2009 5:56 pm
unfortunatly I have to disagree with the statement that:
"Congress should put the American people back in charge of healthcare by expanding healthcare tax credits and deductions, increasing access to Health Savings Accounts, respecting privacy and the doctor/patient relationship. Further politicizing and bureaucratizing of healthcare will only increase costs and reduce quality, as demonstrated by most other countries with socialized medicine."
First tax-credits have proven in-effective in controlling costs of anything, same for healthcare accounts which are fixed to an amount of $7500. That $7500 dollars doesn't come close to covering costs of healthcare.
I do agree that the doctor/patient relationship shuld be nurtured which is exactly why we need a public option--- to force insurance out of the medical decision making.
AND what has been demonstrated with most socialized medicine models is that access increases, choice increases, quality increases. That is the reality of socialized medicine. All these studies highlighting the faults and situations where people have had problems is both exxagerated in scope, number, and severity. The wait time issue is already here with our present system, rationing care is already here with private insurance. There is one differ4ence only. the cost and financial burden of healthcare.
"Congress should put the American people back in charge of healthcare by expanding healthcare tax credits and deductions, increasing access to Health Savings Accounts, respecting privacy and the doctor/patient relationship. Further politicizing and bureaucratizing of healthcare will only increase costs and reduce quality, as demonstrated by most other countries with socialized medicine."
First tax-credits have proven in-effective in controlling costs of anything, same for healthcare accounts which are fixed to an amount of $7500. That $7500 dollars doesn't come close to covering costs of healthcare.
I do agree that the doctor/patient relationship shuld be nurtured which is exactly why we need a public option--- to force insurance out of the medical decision making.
AND what has been demonstrated with most socialized medicine models is that access increases, choice increases, quality increases. That is the reality of socialized medicine. All these studies highlighting the faults and situations where people have had problems is both exxagerated in scope, number, and severity. The wait time issue is already here with our present system, rationing care is already here with private insurance. There is one differ4ence only. the cost and financial burden of healthcare.
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by johnfrmnebr » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:35 pm
In light of the votes over the past couple of days with our own Senator Ben Nelson voted for the current healthcare package I would agree with bhndr's last statement, "Healthcare is now truly dead". The current bill in spite of the promises from Senate Democrats is a very bad deal for American freedom. The whole concept is based on the idea that HC is a public good as opposed to a private good. From an economic standpoint even public goods, which are neither excludable nor rival in consumption, rely heavily on private industry. The nationalization of any industry does not promote competition but rather stifles the marketplace. In doing so it reduces the efficiency which increases cost leaving the government no choice but to enact price limits on the industry in question. As these price limits take affect it begins the process of eroding the infrastructure of the HC industry, not limited to insurance companies but also reducing medical facilities, and the quality and number of doctors. This eventually leads to rationing of care, excessive waiting periods, and death panels. These are basic laws of economics at work, the results can be seen in those countries with command economies and socialized healthcare in their own right. It has been excessive government intervention in the insurance and healthcare industry which has given us this problem to begin with. The laws being enacted this Christmas season give the government the absolute authority over life and death of all of the citizens in the United States. I don't think this is the kind of legislation our founding fathers wanted when they broke away from the absolutist King George. "Is life so sweet and peace so dear as to be purchased through chains and slavery? I say nay, I know not what course others may take but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death." Patrick Henry 1775
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