christine wrote:Fine whatever illegal immigrants aren't "darn"..they're nice people, good to talk to in the hall ways, good tamales, etc.. alright then
I just logged in to say what a stupid statement that was.
ok then, I just logged on to say you had too much time on your hands there.
jk I logged on to properly respond to Luke.
//Do you understand anything about the system of taxation?
Your education, your roads, your state departments (police, borough maintenance crews, public projects, etc) are all dependent on the distribution of tax revenue. You are a Conservative Libertarian douchebag.//
Ok Luke, enough with the smack talk. I get it, I'm conservative your a libby. No need to get into that. As for taxation, I concede I was too harsh on sharing the wealth. Roads, schools, and such are a no-brainer for taxing. Now, covering people with our tax money on some questionable grounds are iffy. By questionable grounds I mean: is the spending going to hurt our federal reserve and our economy as a whole? Are people going to pay an abortion tax against their will? ( I consider that wrong.)
Here. Evidence: http://www.healthimaging.com/index.php? ... it-by-132b
Now, the tagline of this article irks me a little, because they are basically saying that by spending trillions of dollars, we get 132 billion back in 9 years! Well, I dunno about that.
//Hospitals do operate on a relatively private level, however I can tell you first hand through the experiences of being one of the 50 million who are uninsured in this country that the system is out of the hands of local and state officials. Healthcare brings in billions of dollars and most of it is squandered//
Again, buddy, I feel for ya. I know it's not easy when you can't afford insurance. I also conceded that there is a problem, but the fed gov isn't fixing it the right way...( I prefer more regulations of private industry than the creation of a public sector.)
I'll go ahead and note, Luke, that I don't include illegal immigrants in a "number of uninsured". They're ILLEGAL. The definition of illegal is : "if something is illegal, the law says that it is not allowed". - Google def.)
That means they're not allowed here, that means our tax money shouldn't cover them. In other words, i would rather have a fellow American citizen get that surgery or liver transplant first before an illegal does. Go ahead, tell me I'm a stupid conservative for wanting that.
//I've told you before to always provide evidence.//
Here you go dude....stop PMSing when ever I forget you told me something.http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 39688.html
//People who object to this are generally very impatient and selfish. You've pronounced both. They want results now, which is why the Bush tax cuts gained him support even though it plunged the country into a further deficit.
Also, lest we forget the Medicare act of 2003 signed in by the Bush administration over the idea of his party knowing what the hell they were talking about. No attempt was made to shore up the economy or explain how they were going to pay for it.
Obama put it well in the link I posted. "Washington has become more concerned about the next election than the next generation."//
Well, I like capitalism, so naturally I'm going to be "selfish". I don't like Bush and his administration, and I don't like Republicans. Don't think I support them or w/e.
I guess all in all, I'm very distrustful of this giant leap that Congress wants to take. In the years to follow, we will plunge into more debt with the HC now in place, while crossing our fingers that the 1.4 trillion will come back...I mean...it's not 100% sure right?
Also, I have a feeling we would be left with a worse debt, but by then the generation of HC-loving liberals have come and gone, so not their problem.
Ok so that's all I'll answer.
I happen to know that you'll probably say: "Gosh Christine, your such an ignorant conservative, and everything you said was a bunch of non-debatable mush that I'm not going to even answer because it will be like arguing with a dining table (which Stephen colbert has done
So in the interest of becoming a better debater, please tell me how I could've responded. Thanks.