Healthcare Legislation Ruins Christmas!

[.valdiditt.]

thats like a whole book right there!
but that outlaw guy got banned right?

[BritainKennedy]

//You may call this an appeal to personal preference, however I have the paperwork and the bills here in my room to prove that bills are being made without justification.//

You think someone that used the phrase "darn illegals" is going to know what a fallacy is? Much less call you out for appeal to personal interest? hah.

Although it really wasn't fallacious as you did back it up...

[christine]

Fine whatever illegal immigrants aren't "darn"..they're nice people, good to talk to in the hall ways, good tamales, etc.. alright then

Britain, idk, should I answer Mirnus's reply? Seems kinda long and depressing....all i got outta it, again, was "blah blah blah your a stupid conservative"

You know what Mirnus? Idk half the crap I tell you, i just say it because your so darn funny to piss off.

you know what else? I'm too lazy to look for the evidence....so maybe after New years i'll get that for you.

Just tell me where you got "one sixth of our country is uninsured" from.

Btw, your story sounds legit, about the back injury. I think that is the real problem here- that premiums are driven up by other people's strive to have a "reasonable price". As a result, I know other ppl eat that cost by having their premiums payments increased. I simple doubt the government can solve this problem.

//I've told you before to always provide evidence//
-well I've told you before, your posts are so looooonnngggg

[BritainKennedy]

Britain, idk, should I answer Mirnus's reply? Seems kinda long and depressing....all i got outta it, again, was "blah blah blah your a stupid conservative"

Yes... You should... He took the time to call you out on your giant [Censored Word], take the time to respond back in line by line fashion.

Please Christine, don't insult Luke's post. It was actually intelligent and thought out, unlike yours, mocking it as "blah blah blah" just shows a level of immaturity I've yet to see out of someone in our age group.

Oh well, I'm not going to hardcore defend Luke, he'll do it himself.

[christine]

Yes, sir, understood.
I apologize Luke. I had just woken up, and I was a little cranky. I will re-respond to your post as soon as I'm done partyin for New Years (god i'm so excited).

Here's what I plan on saying:
I'm not a douchebag. Good point about Taxation....but I am not in favor of my parents taxes paying for abortions, primarily because we don't believe in abortions, except for when necessary.


Your Personal Story....already answered in my first reply.

Your links...I look at later

I'm not a moron, I don't use Fox news.

Again my full answer is later..

I pretty much think Stephen Colbert is hilarious, but sometimes logical. It all depends. I don't care if Colbert rags on conservatives or liberals, I'm on the floor laughin. It's like Colbert can call me out on a loony-conservative thing and I can admit it. See? I can admit when I'm wrong. I already admitted there is something wrong with the healthcare system. You proved that.

[Sunt_eu_fericirea]

Fine whatever illegal immigrants aren't "darn"..they're nice people, good to talk to in the hall ways, good tamales, etc.. alright then

HAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAH.
I just logged in to say what a stupid statement that was.

[christine]

Fine whatever illegal immigrants aren't "darn"..they're nice people, good to talk to in the hall ways, good tamales, etc.. alright then

HAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAH.
I just logged in to say what a stupid statement that was.

ok then, I just logged on to say you had too much time on your hands there.
jk I logged on to properly respond to Luke.

//Do you understand anything about the system of taxation?
Your education, your roads, your state departments (police, borough maintenance crews, public projects, etc) are all dependent on the distribution of tax revenue. You are a Conservative Libertarian douchebag.//

Ok Luke, enough with the smack talk. I get it, I'm conservative your a libby. No need to get into that. As for taxation, I concede I was too harsh on sharing the wealth. Roads, schools, and such are a no-brainer for taxing. Now, covering people with our tax money on some questionable grounds are iffy. By questionable grounds I mean: is the spending going to hurt our federal reserve and our economy as a whole? Are people going to pay an abortion tax against their will? ( I consider that wrong.)
Here. Evidence: http://www.healthimaging.com/index.php? ... it-by-132b

Now, the tagline of this article irks me a little, because they are basically saying that by spending trillions of dollars, we get 132 billion back in 9 years! Well, I dunno about that.

//Hospitals do operate on a relatively private level, however I can tell you first hand through the experiences of being one of the 50 million who are uninsured in this country that the system is out of the hands of local and state officials. Healthcare brings in billions of dollars and most of it is squandered//

Again, buddy, I feel for ya. I know it's not easy when you can't afford insurance. I also conceded that there is a problem, but the fed gov isn't fixing it the right way...( I prefer more regulations of private industry than the creation of a public sector.)
I'll go ahead and note, Luke, that I don't include illegal immigrants in a "number of uninsured". They're ILLEGAL. The definition of illegal is : "if something is illegal, the law says that it is not allowed". - Google def.)
That means they're not allowed here, that means our tax money shouldn't cover them. In other words, i would rather have a fellow American citizen get that surgery or liver transplant first before an illegal does. Go ahead, tell me I'm a stupid conservative for wanting that.

//I've told you before to always provide evidence.//

Here you go dude....stop PMSing when ever I forget you told me something.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 39688.html

//People who object to this are generally very impatient and selfish. You've pronounced both. They want results now, which is why the Bush tax cuts gained him support even though it plunged the country into a further deficit.
Also, lest we forget the Medicare act of 2003 signed in by the Bush administration over the idea of his party knowing what the hell they were talking about. No attempt was made to shore up the economy or explain how they were going to pay for it.
Obama put it well in the link I posted. "Washington has become more concerned about the next election than the next generation."//

Well, I like capitalism, so naturally I'm going to be "selfish". I don't like Bush and his administration, and I don't like Republicans. Don't think I support them or w/e.
I guess all in all, I'm very distrustful of this giant leap that Congress wants to take. In the years to follow, we will plunge into more debt with the HC now in place, while crossing our fingers that the 1.4 trillion will come back...I mean...it's not 100% sure right?
Also, I have a feeling we would be left with a worse debt, but by then the generation of HC-loving liberals have come and gone, so not their problem.

Ok so that's all I'll answer.
I happen to know that you'll probably say: "Gosh Christine, your such an ignorant conservative, and everything you said was a bunch of non-debatable mush that I'm not going to even answer because it will be like arguing with a dining table (which Stephen colbert has done )."

So in the interest of becoming a better debater, please tell me how I could've responded. Thanks.

[BritainKennedy]

Christine, answer one simple question, what is the difference between someone having to fund an abortion they don't support, and funding a war they don't support?

[christine]

!!!!!!!
You got me.

I would like to think about this more...I mean seriously good point.
For now, I say funding a war is different because the leaders of this country, congress and all, have decided to, for example, go to war against Al-Queda because they threaten our nation and our lives. They deemed in necessary to fight terrorism because of incidents such as 9/11. That being said, I know where you are coming from. Many have realized that this war has turned into a political scheme to get more oil, "install a democratic system in iraq" (ya right), and so on. That is why many are not happy about funding that. I understand.

Regardless, I think funding a war for the sake of our national security is a hell of alot different from funding the abortion of a fetus. Was the fetus a threat to our nation? I don't think so. Now funding abortions that a mother can't afford when she got raped or is about to die because of the fetus hurting her, that's another story. But I view abortions as an "easy way out" that people can now use, and pretty much what's happening is way too much out-of-wedlock sex (but hey! we have different opinions...you want sex? go ahead. just use a freakin condom.) To put it simply: my very own opinion is that abortion is murder. Don't agree? That's fine. But YOU had sex, pay for YOUR own abortion.

I really hate debating abortions because I'm part of a small minority of catholics who don't believe in em...so...sorry if it offends you...

[BritainKennedy]

//I really hate debating abortions because I'm part of a small minority of catholics who don't believe in em//

Hmm?

[christine]

well, to be honest, it's a lost battle. The majority of america is liberal, so all I'm saying is its moot, we can't change each others opinions. Like this is the only one I won't bend on- abortion's different. Now for other issues such as war, gay marriage, gun control, etc, that can be worked with. But yeah I feel like I'm in the minority of America saying that abortions are wrong.

Oh well, so anyways I found "means-testing good" cards....so I only run this if they are helping specific people in poverty, such as homelessness, right?

[BritainKennedy]

I don't understand your question. And by the way you worded it i thought you were saying you're one of the few catholics that don't support abortions. Confused the hell out of me.

EDIT: I love how you removed the fact that I stumped you in your post right before I post. haha.

[christine]

Lol ok well i got means-testing figured out its all good.

wait...what? i didn't remove anything.

its random...but I'm eating a piece of fudge the shape of texas.

[BritainKennedy]

Nevermind, it glitched for a bit... Very strange.

[Lehman]

the fact that Texas is controlled by people who represent that myopic and dangerous charismatic religious figure that the rest of the world loathes the U.S. for.

I guess if Luke says it's a "fact," it must be. However, having traveled through Alabama, Georgia and Florida last summer, I can safely say Texas is not quite so myopic as he contends (though I'd admit we're in the upper 15%). As a side note, I would also offer that 90% of the people from my state could whip Luke's a$$ handily.